Anyone using a Knitting Machine?

topic posted Wed, April 18, 2007 - 7:11 AM by  Aziyade
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The cheap kind -- not the really expensive ones!

I bought the Bond Ultimate Sweater Machine about 8 months ago (and a huge lot of pattern books and stitch encyclopedias) and have been having fun exploring the different stitches and patterns you can make. I've yet to make an actual SWEATER with it, but I'm having fun.

Anybody else have a machine like this? Do you actually USE it, or do you find yourself hand-knitting everything?
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Aziyade
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  • Re: Anyone using a Knitting Machine?

    Wed, April 18, 2007 - 11:26 AM
    I often wish I had one...I have Enchanted Knitting and it has the most gorgeous designs, but I can't imagine having the time to knit an entire sweater at the fine gauge needed (for one pattern, I think I'd have to knit at 12 sts/in to fit in on the back of a sweater). Can you do color designs on your machine?
    • Re: Anyone using a Knitting Machine?

      Thu, April 19, 2007 - 8:20 AM
      I found online a BUNCH of resources for the Bond machines (ultimate sweater machine, incredible sweater machine, etc.) There are little instructional video things too, to show you more complicated things. The Bond machines are kind of viewed as toys by a lot of SERIOUS machine knitters, but I think it's fun.

      You can do fair isle, intarsia and entrelac pretty easily -- of course, it would probably take a while to get used to it so you machine knit as fast as you hand knit. I think intarsia is a lot easier on the machine than on needles, but that's just me, and I usually end up with a cat and a dog as well as my knitting in my lap, so .... :)
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    Re: Anyone using a Knitting Machine?

    Wed, April 18, 2007 - 4:50 PM
    I started with a Bond Incredible Sweater Machine and used it a bit, then it went into the closet. 3 years ago it came out of the closet and I made 2 baby blankets.
    www.flickr.com/photos/bogiebogie/

    Since then I purchased an LK-150 which I like a lot more, primarily because it has a tensioning device which allows for faster knitting and less risk of getting the yarn caught or hung up which can cause the tension to be too tight, the carriage to jam, and/or dropped stitches. I made a baby sweater with the LK-150.
    knitflix.blogspot.com/2006/10...ket.html

    I like the knitting machine and don't mind manipulating stitches to make something other than stockinette. But, I handknit just about everything because handknitting is small, portable, and quiet. I enjoy knitting in the family room while watching TV or a DVD, and to do that with the knitting machine means I have to clamp it to the kitchen table and then move it again when we want to eat. Besides, it's noisy and not pleasant to be around if others are trying to enjoy a show. With that, it's set up in an extra bedroom which is in serious need of decluttering, so that's another reason why I'm not using it more. But some day I'll roll up my sleeves and work on the room and have a MK project on the needles.
  • Using knitting machines for production work

    Wed, April 18, 2007 - 8:45 PM
    20 years ago I had to take in piecework to make money to stay home with my infant son. I got some work stringing beads for a company called Sparkle Plenty that made semi-precious bead and pearl necklaces with real gold findings that were sold at Nieman Marcus and Saks.

    The owner of that company decided to get into luxury fiber sweaters, and because it was production work she used to come up with designs that used knitting machines to save time. She bought a few knitting machines and some of them came home to my house where they took up a lot of room. I used to hand-knit bottom ribbings (because machine ribbings are clearly not hand-made and usually ugly) then hang the stitches and run off most of the sweater by machine. The designs were complex and involved a lot of intarsia or areas of pattern stitching. Sometimes I hand-knit the front because it was too complicated to be faster by machine, Sometimes a design would require taking a partially completed piece off the machine, hand knitting a portion and then re-hanging it to finish by machine. I knit pretty consistent gauge, which was fortunate. The sweaters were sold as "handknit", so it was important that the knitting match front to back.

    As I say these were luxury fiber sweaters and most of the yarn came from Europe in small yardage balls designed for hand knitting (25g. balls of angora for instance). They had to be re-rolled to check for and correct knots and make sure they would run through the machine smoothly enough. I could do a typical entire sweater in about half a day. We assembled the pieces with crochet hooks by hand (because machine linkers are evil), and then I'd pick up and hand-finish the neck and arm holes and sew on buttons, etc. Sweaters sold for $500 to $1000 (they paid me pretty well, typically 20% of sale price).

    All of this was fine and then Kaffe Fassett became popular and everything had to be hand-knit for awhile, LOL. By then my kid was big enough for day care so I went to work for lawyers instead.
    • Re: Using knitting machines for production work

      Thu, April 19, 2007 - 5:56 AM
      Danese,
      It sounds like knitting machines are a pain. I had one when I was a kid, but it was small and all you could make were scarves, so it bored me. One day I'll use then machine maybe to make curtains or to use in my work. (I'm a visual artist) I do love knitting by hand because I find it relaxing.
      • Re: Using knitting machines for production work

        Thu, April 19, 2007 - 2:38 PM
        Yes, hand knitting is a whole different animal to maching knitting. After I'd finished my years working for Sparkle Plenty, it took a long, long time for me to come near any sort of knitting again (production knitting is NOT relaxing, its tendonitis waiting to strike and deadlines and pushing to get stuff done when you should be sleeping...transforms that whole "just one more row" impulse substantially, I can tell you.) Having said that, the folks who owned the company were really good to me at a time when I needed to work from home and I did manage to learn a few new tricks. For instance, I can knit equally comfortably English or Continental and of course I can also do both at the same time (necessary for colorwork like Fair Isle). I can also knit and purl backwards pretty well (for short-rowing and making bobbles and also sock heels...saves you from having to constantly turn the work). Learning to do the Kaffe Fassett -style colorwork really expanded my thoughts about carrying colors and joining and finishing tails (you don't really need to do much tail finishing if you know how to knit them in as you go along). And I actually started using the Shetland trick of jamming a needle into my belt to hold it so I could knit while walking (also handy on Muni trains). All in all it was a positive experience.
    • Re: Using knitting machines for production work

      Thu, April 19, 2007 - 8:25 AM
      Wow! Sounds cool, Danese!

      I have a question -- you say machine ribbings are usually ugly. I've only done K2P2 on mine, but it doesn't look any different than my hand-knit ribbing (except perhaps it's a little more regular in stitch length.) ?? Of course, I'm latching the purls -- and I'm getting faster at it! Might that make a difference?

      One thing I'm actually lookign forward to trying is lace knitting on this thing. This month's Knitters magazine has several lace shawl patterns that look pretty straight-forward. I'll post a pic if I manage to do it and make it look good.

      This is what I'm getting ready to attempt on the machine:
      www.patonsyarns.com/patternbook.php

      the lacette tissue tunic. We'll see how it handles such a thin yarn.
      • Re: Using knitting machines for production work

        Thu, April 19, 2007 - 2:31 PM
        Back in this day (this was the 80s) the ribbers produced a very even, but not very satisfying ribbing. For one thing the cast-on was sort of "tubular" and tended to stretch out. We preferred a cable cast-on. For another she tended to design "fair isle" style ribbings with the purl furrows in a different color or colors and that just wasn't envisioned by the machine ribbers. And yes, latching the purls would make a difference. Part of the tension problem on the ribbers was that the purl bed was a separate piece you hung in front of the regular bed and stitches were half on one bed and half on the other so a pass of the carriage could make both kinds of stitches. When you pulled the ribbing off the machine it was seriously weird and had to be stretched and pulled to get it to re-tension and look half-way normal. There was a real tendency to want to hand-thread elastic in the first few rows to get any kind of elasticity.

        Lace knitting is really fun on a machine, although of course you are limited to "stockinette" lace patterns since that's what the machine can do unless you're willing to do a lot of re-latching. But there are some really pretty patterns. The sort of link garment you're linking to there (where you're knitting a very thin yarn on a machine set up for large guage so you get a gauzy fabric) is one of the best possible uses of knitting machines IMHO. Its tedious to do by hand and very difficult to get consistent tension because there's so much slack in the yarn when you complete a row. But with a machine you can zip off the piece in no time and with very even tension. I'd avise you to stabilze the edges of such pieces as soon as you can (a quick run in an overlock stitch is enough). Machine knit expects the pieces will be "finished" with a seam and so selvedges are not so stable if you're fooling with guage to get effects like gauze.

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